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Let\u2019s just say a collaborative album between the Avett Brothers and Mike Patton was not on our 2025 bingo card. Patton is best known as the frontman of Faith No More (remember this<\/a>?) and experimental rockers Mr. Bungle, two bands that both Scott and Seth Avett have said were major influences on the duo while they were growing up in North Carolina. <\/p>\n\n\n\n\n\n

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So does the new project, AVTT\/PTTN<\/em>, work? It does. The opening tracks, \u201cDark Night of My Soul\u201d and \u201cTo Be Known,\u201d would fit on any Avett Brothers album. Then things take an interesting turn on \u201cHeaven\u2019s Breath,\u201d with a fuzzy, crunchy guitar lick leading into blazing riffs, spooky sound effects, and towering vocal theatrics. But it\u2019s on \u201cToo Awesome\u201d where everything clicks: Though they come from different backgrounds and different sides of the country (Patton is a native of Northern California), the trio\u2019s sense of drama and sweeping grandeur binds them together. Patton\u2019s piercing baritone\u2014a little Waylon, a little Tom Waits\u2014gives the brothers\u2019 trademark harmonies additional heft. This is daring, cinematic music that reveals itself more fully with each subsequent listen. It should also be played as loud as possible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Scott Avett says he can\u2019t remember who gave him Patton\u2019s number, but the bond was instantaneous once they started texting. \u201cThere was no filter, no agenda,\u201d Scott says. \u201cIt felt very personal, which is what I\u2019m always looking for.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We caught up with Scott and Mike to talk more about how the collaboration came about, the benefits of working remotely, and what might happen when they bring these songs to the stage. AVTT\/PTTN<\/em> is out this Friday and available for pre-order here<\/a>.

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Scott, we\u2019ve talked through the years, and early \u201990s rock was a massive influence on you guys growing up. It\u2019s not as if you were just listening to Bill Monroe.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Scott Avett: Yeah, absolutely. I didn\u2019t grow up knowing any Bill Monroe, or any bluegrass for that matter. What was really interesting to us was the discovery of rock and alternative rock, and then beyond that, all genres. But Mike was somebody that we saw really early on. His curiosity was evident, and that struck me as an artist more than a specific identity that I would later learn.

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Mike, people know you from Faith No More, but the breadth of your catalog is phenomenal: avant-garde jazz, hip-hop, classical music, and even Italian operas. What motivates you creatively? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

Mike Patton: Well, thanks. I think it\u2019s curiosity, or a general sense of discomfort or unease, wanting to find some other place that you\u2019re not currently sitting in. There\u2019s a healthy element to that that\u2019s driven me for a long time. And considering the way things have changed over the years, especially now that I\u2019m entering senior citizen territory, I\u2019m looking for comfort zones. I\u2019m looking for stability with less wandering, less train hopping, more of a safe, comfortable space. Oddly enough, [AVTT\/PTTN<\/em>] feels like one to me, even though it could be deemed another adventure or detour on paper. To me, it feels like home.

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And why is that?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

MP: I wish I could tell you. Life\u2019s mysteries continue to unfold [laughs]. We started this thing as a handshake, you know, a virtual handshake. We hadn\u2019t really met. Ideas started flowing back and forth, and then it revealed itself into what it is now. And I\u2019m not even really sure what the hell it is, but it feels great. And to me, that\u2019s enough.

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What about from your perspective, Scott?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

SA: I was writing songs that weren\u2019t for anything in particular\u2014there were several overlapping things that I was working on. So in the beginning, when I first communicated with Mike, there was a little bit of a binge. There was probably a three-year catalog of voice memos that I would listen to. If I hit on one and the lyrics resonated, then I would say, \u201cOkay, this is what I\u2019ll develop today.\u201d When I got in touch with Mike, I wasn\u2019t really thinking of anything except a better way for me to illustrate ideas. No one said, \u201cHey, you and Mike should get together and make a project.\u201d That would be a turn-off immediately to me. I\u2019ve never had success with things that are planned. I don\u2019t think Seth has either. It\u2019s intimidating. A lot of times early in our career, we would be at these concerts where we\u2019d get asked to do a jam, and Seth and I would say no, because we didn\u2019t know any of these people. They would say, \u201cYeah, but it\u2019s good for your career.\u201d But we didn\u2019t care. We were interested in our career, but we weren\u2019t interested in doing it that way. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

We slowly formed more personal relationships, and we would play with those people, but it took a certain intimacy for us to feel comfortable. When I met Mike, we started talking about raw ideas that I was in the process of bingeing on. It was all remote but really exciting, because it was just the two of us. I just started dumping those songs toward Mike. I said to myself, I\u2019m not going to scrutinize where these songs are going. They\u2019re all going to go to Mike because this is where we\u2019re at right now.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n

MP: <\/strong>I would say, after the first song or two, it was like, \u201cOh, God, here we go. This is a storm. We\u2019ve got to hang on here.\u201d But it felt great. It\u2019s interesting that Scott uses the word \u201cintimidating.\u201d I had a little bit of that, just like, how do I fit into this? I know I do somewhere, but this is going to be an exercise. I\u2019m going to have to really think about how to contribute to this. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Mike, had you been a fan of the Avett Brothers before you met?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

MP: Oh yeah. They had always mystified me, as if I heard old souls in their music, and there was adventure in there. There was an amusement park element to it. It intrigued me, and it was deceptively simple: sparse elements, great songwriting, but a lot going on. And so in the beginning stages, it was like, how do I jump into a set of music with a set of brothers? How can I blend my voice and my leanings into this? It was very delicate at first, and then once I found it, it was unfiltered.

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How did the songwriting process work? Was it all remote?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

SA: It was all remote. There was no direction for Mike, only how he could make it better. Mike would move a verse, sing a verse, or take it out completely. Things changed all the time. And then we sent them to Seth and told him to do what he thinks will elevate this. [In person], we probably would have been much more diplomatic among the three of us and probably the rest of our musicians as well in our group. But it\u2019s really good that we did it this way; the three of us benefited from it. 

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Mike, how did your end of the creative process work?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

MP: I played around a lot with adding and experimenting with instrumentation. You know, a church organ here, a zither there. There are things that, in theory, don\u2019t belong, like timpani or orchestral pieces. But once I realized how well those actually fit with, say, a banjo, the language just grew. And so I spent a lot more time on instrumentation than I did on the voice. I usually did my voice stuff last. And what I found, at least in the beginning, was that the way these guys harmonized, like I said, I did not want to f*** it up.

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How did you know when a song was finished? It seems like you could go back and forth, back and forth.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

SA: All three of us have a good history with that. Sometimes we\u2019ve been known to ride that wave over and over and over. Working remotely was beneficial for this because it\u2019s trickier to meddle with things; we would do something, send it, and still manage to adjust very well. <\/p>\n\n\n\n

MP: It felt natural. We all just knew. Knowing when something is finished is sometimes the hardest part. It\u2019s funny that Scott talks about getting invited to jams. I\u2019m not really a part of that world at all, but the closest thing that I could relate to is improvising with jazz music. No songs, do anything, one-two-three go. That takes some cojones, man, but it\u2019s amazing, and it really teaches you how to listen and when to shut up. What I learned over the years and was taught by close friends who I would improvise with is that when you find an ending to a piece, grab it. Because otherwise this shit could go on for three hours, and no one wants that.

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You have one show booked together in March during the <\/strong>Big Ears Festival<\/strong><\/a> in Knoxville. Is there a plan to do any more beyond that, or see how it goes?<\/strong><\/p>

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SA: Oh, we plan to do more. We should be able to beat this horse to death [laughs]. The relationship with the songs is going to get really interesting when they\u2019re played live. It\u2019s one thing to have recorded versions, but what could get extracted from them live is going to be exciting to see. I\u2019m sure it won\u2019t all be pretty, but we\u2019re very much looking forward to that.

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Will you also play each other\u2019s stuff? <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n

SA: We\u2019re talking about it now. We\u2019re trying to get the ship in the right direction, so the waters are open for us.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

MP: There are many, many paths we could go down, which is really cool. It would be great to play each other\u2019s stuff. Cover tunes, too. It could even be a jamboree or a full-on revue [laughs]. Who knows?<\/p>\n<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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